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Sept. 21, 2021

The History of Cannabis with TheCannaBoss - Marlies Fitch Ledbetter

The History of Cannabis with TheCannaBoss - Marlies Fitch Ledbetter

In this episode of Naked Talk with Jess, we are chatting with Marlies Fitch Ledbetter, the owner and founder of Indie Hemp Company.

Marlies discusses the history of Cannabis and how it can be utilized in adult and medicinal use.

Highlights:

  • Indigienous people regarded “mother cannabis” as one of the most important medicines of their time 
  • Utilization of cannabis for adult use vs. medicinial use 
  • How the endocannabinoid system works with CBD
  • Knowing where your product is sourced
  • Drug testing and HR rules regarding cannabis use

Links mentioned in today’s show:

Marlies Fitch Ledbetter - Indie Hemp Company

https://www.indiehempco.com

Follow Marlies on Instagram

@thecannaboss_marlies

Indie Hemp Company

Email: marliescbd@gmail.com

Address: 9910 Valance Way

Conroe, TX  77385

Phone: 832.671.312

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Transcript
Jess:

Hey, y'all welcome back to naked talk with Jess podcast. Thank you for joining me, and I'm super excited about this series. We're going to be talking cannabis with one of my good friends Marlies, and she knows all the things about you want some science we'll we're about to give it to you. So welcome to the podcast, Marlies. How are you?

Marlies:

Very, very good. Thank you so much for having me. And yes, it's like all stored up in the brain.

Jess:

I know you're amazing at all of this stuff. And, you know, that's one of the things that I've learned along the years, and we'll get into that later. But with, anything you might have heard or you see, oils cannabis., whatever it is when people start catching on to the buzzwords, right. They pop up everywhere. But when someone like you shows up and you know, your stuff, that is such a great testament to cannabis in general, and just shows us that you can't just fall for marketing, right? You need. You need to know there is a science behind it. and just because something's natural doesn't mean that, you can just use it in, whichever way you want without looking into it. So let's go ahead and introduce yourself for those who don't know you already and, who you are and what you do.

Marlies:

Sure. My name is Marlies Fitch Leadbetter, and I am the owner and founder of Indie hemp company, which is an educational consultancy. I created that mainly because I knew there was such a huge gap between medical holistic medicine, as well as just the layman's consumer use there needed to be so much education and, I felt guidance in the industry that wasn't there. And we're starting to see that now, especially here in Texas, but it did not occur five years ago for sure. And then I also have a presidential founder of green cup is global CBD, which is out of North Carolina we're a USDA certified organic farm. We produce all our own products., we're fully integrated vertically. So it means we own the farm. We farm the farm all the way to the bottle that comes to your house. And so I partnered with them because they were absolutely the best product on the market. I tried them, I went. You know, through the ringer with them asking them all the questions about where the company was going. We're only two years old, almost three, and have grown so significantly and it just is a Testament to when you have a really good product and you know, it works, then you can change people's lives. And that's really how this all started for me was it changed my life so significantly that I knew I couldn't keep my mouth shut and that's just kind of person I am

Jess:

Well and I remember, just your passion for really like you said, being that advocate for the lay person, like myself, who I'm like, I know there's something more don't want to go to, a medication or something just to cover my symptoms. Right. I believe in getting to the root cause and you get to that. And it's great. Right? I've been in my holistic journey for over a decade. certified holistic health coach. I've done the things, but there's still so much to do and it's so important that people like you and others in our community, who are so great here in Houston, and the outskirts as well., they can be that advocate for that person, and really stand up for, the natural and holistic ways and to, really mitigate the damage that can be caused by misinformation and all of that.

Marlies:

And cannabis of course has had misinformation for a hundred years and it's something that I still battle with on a daily basis where people make jokes about it. They say, oh, are you a stoner? Like, how do you take care of your child? And I, you know, still follow the laws of the land. But there is still so much information that's incorrect. There are people that have tried CBD or cannabis products, and it hasn't worked for them because they haven't used quality products or had proper guidance. And so I kind of want to put that to bed and I'm hoping that in the next 10 years we see the whole entire country pairing up with cannabis because it's one of the only natural products. You know, a plant-based product that can access every single thing in the human body and on a sub cellular level. So it's just a really, really beautiful thing when people get to understand the science of it. But most people don't care about that. They just want to know that it works and it's going to benefit their life. And so, I kind of have to meet people where they're at and I enjoy every minute of it because every single day I get a testimony. That's life-changing.

Jess:

Well, let's start with that. Like you said, because that goes back to the same thing you would think, right? You would think it wouldn't be there, but there's still so much stigma really within and misinformation. So do you want to go on and just break down quickly for the person who doesn't understand or they think of weed or join or just, you know, I always think of Matthew McConaughey. Yeah. L I V I M live it. Yes. And nothing wrong with that.

Marlies:

super chill and has less stress than most people.

Jess:

Yeah. So, nothing wrong with that, but can you just give us a quick introduction for those who aren't familiar? Like what is, what does cannabis even mean? CBD. And is it weed? You know, help us out here.

Marlies:

Yeah so cannabis is the actual species name, just like you and I are homo-sapiens, but we're not necessarily related to each other. What you would consider marijuana and hemp to be our cousins. But they are part of the same exact species family. And then you have sub strains and different types of genetic, breeding and things like that. Not GMO necessarily, but like just kind of insects. Like when you make different children, they make different strains and on and on it goes, and that's what you'll get these funny names like, oh, gee Hayes and, you know, purple Kush. And these are breeder names, typically of people that have cultivated these cannabis plants. But hemp and marijuana is still the same plant and we were trying to stop saying marijuana cause it is a slang, and it's really not very fair to the indigenous people because marijuana just means Mary Jane in Spanish, where it's a very, very much, of a spiritual name, mother cannabis is regarded one of the most important medicines of our time, especially in the indigenous people. And we want to protect that for them because they literally worship this plant as it's spiritual and mental and physical guide. As being a healer for everything. And when we look back at how it's been used, documented in medical history, It goes back to 2,900 BC where it was in the Chinese pharmacopeia, that it was stated as the most important medicine of their time. Possessing both the yin and yang. And that's so beautiful because it's when I think of cannabis as both spiritual, mental, and physical, like all of the three parts of how it can help us. And there's so much misunderstanding where you know, people just think of it as something that gets you high. There's a lot of healing mechanisms that go into cannabis and it wasn't always bred that way. But when you prohibit something, just like when you prohibit alcohol and the prohibition. We created Everclear and we created moonshine. People are going to find a way to make the plant stronger. And so they had, they genetically made it so that the THC levels, which tetrahydrocannabinol is what gets you high. Anything with a Delta symbol in front of it is going to make you high. So Delta eight that you hear on the streets, Delta 10 Delta nine, those are all psychotropics. So they will make you feel high., but really the plant originally did not get you very high. It was more of a spiritual awakening kind of feeling a relaxation. And so it was very medicinal and it's been bred to be a lot more than that. And so I always tell people when you're utilizing cannabis, make sure that you're utilizing and asking the right questions you're also letting them know whether you're using it for adult use or for medicinal use, because there's going to be a huge difference. I don't like to say recreational, because it's not fair to the plant.

Jess:

Yeah, that makes sense. And then when you say for those who may not understand, when you say endocannabinoid, what are you referring to?

Marlies:

Sure. there is a physiological system, just like you have a neurological system in your body. The endocannabinoid system is probably one of the greatest discoveries ever in medical history. It was discovered in 1994 in Israel, by a doctor who has been studying cannabis since the 1940s and fifties. And he was the one that isolated THC and isolated CBD. they found is that the endoccanabinoid resides in every single function in the human body your brain, your central nervous system, every muscle tissue, bone nerves your endocrine system, your sex hormones, every single thing that is part of your body is regulated by the endocannabinoid system. And when we hear the word homeostasis, is literally. Made by the endocannabinoid system, the endocannabinoid systems job is to regulate every system to make sure it's working properly. I like to call it the Christmas tree analogy. You know, we have a Christmas tree, our body, we put it up every year and sometimes the lights aren't quite on. One's blinking. There's a whole strand out. And the endocannabinoid system identifies those functions as a light switch and because it's on the neurological level, it's actually receptors send to your neurons. It sends signals like telephones throughout your body. if your body's in a state of disease or inflammation or stress or trauma, those signals aren't being sent correctly. And so when you take CBD or cannabis or any of these cannabinoids, they turn. Turn on the endoccanabinoid functions and then our body produces and dodginess cannabinoids. Our body actually makes our own cannabinoids, which is really cool, two ag and anandamide is known as the stress reliever, the bliss molecule. And so when people take cannabis and they feel that really slight. The shoulders release and their chest feels lighter and there, they feel a little aloof kind of that little lightly. It's not really high, but that's your body producing anandamide and that bliss molecule also is pumped through your body after sex an orgasm. And so that's where we kind of think of anandamide as the runners high feeling or the feeling when you have an orgasm. And that is a beautiful endogenous cannabinoid produced by triggering those things with cannabis in the endocannabinoid system. it's just like a light switch.

Jess:

Ooh, I want my white switch. Right. shoulders relaxed right. It does.

Marlies:

It makes you feel just so much more loose and we don't want to be built up in stress like you know, the tighter we are. And the more stress we are when their cortisol levels are high, especially this day and age of what's happening in our country and all over the world, cortisol levels are really high. People are stressed out and when your cortisol levels high, your immune system turns off. And what people don't realize is that people that are physically seemingly healthy, or not necessarily mentally healthy of our stress levels. And so that's one thing that I love about CBD is it's a, analgesicand and I anti-anxiety. And so that's one of the first things people feel is, oh my gosh, I just feel a sense of calm and that's something that we all need all the time.

Jess:

Yes. And, I want to preface this with, my opinions and my words do not necessarily reflect of my guests. so I want to preface it with that, but it really makes you kind of wonder, right. It's just like I've shared with other things, these things were around before the pharmaceutical company, for sure.

Marlies:

Yeah. Okay. It was actually in the United States. Pharmacopeia of 1850. Yeah. And, and it was considered a control of a hundred different diseases and disorders, but it wasn't until we started making synthetic pharmaceuticals in the 1920s, that cannabis was really understood because you couldn't necessarily give someone a pill with a dose because every single physiological system is going to be different.

Jess:

And I always think of, You know, the song was a Huey Lewis and the news. I want a new drug. Yeah. You know, it's like, You have to stop and think, okay. And I always encourage people don't think like me, but stop and think kind from look from a broader perspective. things are kind of being, suppressed, maybe. you have to ask why is that? Who's benefiting from something that would be different from that. So, a synthetic form of it. Sure. To me puree.

Marlies:

Four FDA approved cannabis drugs that are synthetic versions of something that the plant already produces. And it's unfortunate because they're really, really expensive. Let's say a bottle bottle of CBD is $150, right? I'm just giving you a roundabout. For like an epilepsy. prescription, you know, form. and that's going to cost $13,000 with a pharmaceutical. Yeah. Which is really stupid. And I, and we get that, like in the beginning phases that drugs are usually more expensive because of all the testing and things that they have to do, but we still need to work with the shamans of the world and the indigenous people and all the history that we have to best use it and listen to these people because they have thousands of years of usage and we're probably kind of, you know, a bit of newbies, even people on the west coast. Yeah. You know, can't really say that they have hundreds of years of experience, like some of these other cultures do. But when we go to the prohibition, it really wasn't about it being a drug it was because of hemp and hemp is such a broadly used, industrial fiber for plastics for paper for you know, clothing for food for herd for construction pieces. And at that time, the lumber industry, William Hearst, who owns Hearst media, which is like the largest media conglomerate in the world had bought, you know, thousands of, not hundreds of thousands of acres of trees. And he was gonna use that, those trees for paper. And so there's your first indicator. And then DuPont chemicals was going to process the paper, bleach the paper. So that creates another booming industry. And then we bring in the petrochemical like standard oil at the time, which is now Exxon was going to be making petroleum products for plastic, but hemp could already create all those things without the need of a massive amounts of industry involved so they suffocated hemp. And in doing that, they also suffocated marijuana. so the whole cannabis industry was prohibited. And farming the last farm I think, was in the 1950s in Wisconsin or Minnesota or something like that. So we really, the farm bill changed in 2014, we hadn't even grown hemp in America which is weird because when we moved to America, when we first colonized. continent, it was actually required to grow an acre of hemp if you were a farmer. So it was just really weird that we switched gears so quickly. And then the Nixon administration came in with the war against drugs. And then we thought that marijuana was this really, really deadly drug. In fact, no one's ever died from marijuana overdose because you can't overdose on cannabis. And I want to tell you guys that anyone's listening and really wondering, you know, how do people get addicted? How do people overdose? You can't overdose. You can feel like you're not taking the right amount, right. It will definitely affect your body and your body will not feel well if you take too much, but you can't shut down your brainstem, your heart functions or your lung. Lung functions. So for that reason alone, it can't make you die you can definitely feel like you're dying. And sometimes that's more of a spiritual thing than you think. And then in terms of addiction, it's really not the case in adult use. So when children use it, they do not learn proper coping mechanisms so when they have trauma and they use it as an escape mechanism, that is why it's has been considered a gateway drug, but it's only 6% addictive. And of those people that use it, it's typically a use under 20 years of age where your brain isn't even developed until you're 23, 25. So that's typically why those misnomers are, have been spread because a lot of kids start with marijuana. They're teens. And then they go to alcohol and hard drugs and things like that. But I will say, I think alcohol and pills are the true gateway drug instead of marijuana. I don't know a lot of people that ever go, oh, I'm going to smoke marijuana and I'm going to go do heroin. Like nobody does that. Come on.

Jess:

I agree with that. And, and that's why I said just you hear these things, it's important to follow up. But then as you know, just in the world today, we really see it. We've known this right for a while, but especially now, where are you getting your information? Who's sponsoring them. Who's really controlling that information and then what benefits them to give you a pro or con, right, for sure. And if you can go to the purest form, go for it. You know, I understand there's a need for synthetics in some cases, really just want to put that out there. So our listeners, hopefully if you do have certain, you know, ideas already in your mind about it. Just really start to look at the industries and who controls a lot of the media and these things. So for sure and let's talk real quickly about, when you were saying the high and different things, can you break down, what is full spectrum or if someone's like, okay I really have these symptoms. I would love to use CBD or cannabis, but I can't because of my job. Sure. You know, what would you say to them

Marlies:

So when it comes down to cannabis, there are hundreds of different cannabinoids and terpenes and flavonoids that are in the plant. A cannabinoid can be active or inactive, and it's how it interacts with the human body it can turn on different inflammatory markers or turn them off so it's all about this regulation. We have acids in the plant that you can juice and drink that are super healthy. Omega-3 six and nine. It is you can actually eat hemp as a full source of protein and it can turn on different inflammatory markers or turn them off. It fiber and then you've got turpines, which are like your essential oil building blocks. So obviously inflammation and focus and memory and all of these things that we know essential oils to do. And then flavanoids, we obviously know a lot about flavonoids in there. So the cannabis plant itself is very, very robust of that when we talk about full spectrum, that's where we're trying to take the most purest form of the plant. So full spectrums can be different for different brands. Some will smell more weedy than others, right? Because they probably keep in a lot of the acidic compounds but some brands will take the acidic compounds out so that it doesn't have that smell because people smell it and think, oh, it's going to get me high and it's not the smell necessarily that makes you high. It's the actual compound in it. the compound would be THC, whether it's Delta eight, Delta nine or Delta 10, and we're still learning. There's more deltas out there, but tetrahydrocannabinol is what makes you high in products that are sold in Texas. Because it's under the legal limit of 0.3%. You cannot absolutely get high no possible way. you could feel very elevated, but it's not definitely a stoned feeling full spectrum of will absolutely fail a drug test. It doesn't matter how much you take it if you took a drug test and your metabolism, isn't very good you're probably going to have it sit in your system. It's stored in your fat cells. So it can be in your fat cells from up to three, six weeks, if you're obese. Okay. Then you've got brands that will make a. a blend called broad spectrum, is trying to conserve as many cannabinoids because we've done. Don't just have CBD CBG and CBN and CBC and all of these really awesome, active cannabinoids that have different jobs. CBD has the most jobs, if you will, if it's like the task master of the project manager and then THC and the rest of the cannabinoids all have their own jobs. And so we want to have as many people doing as many jobs in the product as possible, right called the entourage effect and so broad spectrum and full spectrum. We're going to have multiple cannabinoids and broad spectrum is just not going to have THC. But for those that are drug tested in a, in a position that has high security clearance, heavy haulers, pilots, D E a CIA FBI, right? I've worked with lots of people that are in security clearance jobs. They have to use a form called isolate, which is just CBD, isolated. It's almost, you know, very close to what a synthetic medication would be only have that one molecule and that's because drug test when you're testing for certain drugs. So like obviously not a teacher or a nurse or people like that, they're just getting a basic, your analysis. Some of these other jobs like pilots, tests will go farther and they'll try and they'll pick up traces always can be a trace of THC. So you want to be really, really careful about the testing on the bottle and making sure that the product has been adequately tested and is using a verifiable third-party because people will even to the point of falsifying third-party labs, just so that they can meet state regulations. And then when you actually call the lab, they have no account on file. So you have to sometimes, you know, I don't want people to have to go through all of that, obviously, because I've already done all the work. And I found really good brands out there that would, you know, stand by that are FDA regulated and. They are different registrations. You can go through to make sure that your product is truly USDA certified or truly FDA registered and making sure that you're hitting all of the top things that the federal guidelines are, you know, we have state and federal guidelines, and I know my company meets them and beyond, but there's a lot of products. You know, the CBD stores you see down the street that could be imported from China, literally have radioactive material in their product because they use hemp to clean their soil. They use hemp to clean radioactive soil, and that's really, really scary when it's coming from overseas and they don't test for that. They don't have a raise of the guy. or whatever it is that showed that. And then you could have pesticides, solvents, and these bottles that are sold in these shelves have not been properly tested. We don't even know the source of the hemp. And, in the regulations, you're only supposed to be selling hemp that's grown in the United States. And that's a regulation. Not a lot of people know about. But on Amazon, they don't really sell CBD. It's all fake. that you're not actually allowed to sell true CBD online. So it's really just hemp oil. It'll say like 10,000 milligrams, which nobody there's no 10,000 milligrams CBD. Yeah. it usually stops like around two or 3000. But that is, you know, falsified marketing schemes. If you get a text message, if you get an email that came out of nowhere, I promise you that brand is not clean. It's not real. It is some marketing scheme coming out of China. I mean, it's really scary. We had a bottle tested that had e-coli in it. And then we also had one that had like lethal amounts of lead and the woman was getting sick and she said, I don't want to use CBD because it's making me sick. So we had the bottle tested and we were like, yeah, the CBD was making you say, wasn't the CBD. Because there wasn't any CBD in it. It was a falsified brand that was sold on Amazon.

Jess:

That's why you need to, and I say this all the time on nicotine. No, the source. Yes. Go to someone trusted. And that's why I had people on this podcast that I know, and I trust. And, that's something we need to do in all areas of our lives these things are affecting our life. And so take the time, make it a priority. If it's important to you, you'll go that extra step. Absolutely. If it sounds too good to be true with the price There's a good chance. It is. Yeah. And thank you for sharing that too, about that. So I have, really good, a couple friend of ours and he's a pilot and you know, it just broke my heart because he's in so much pain with osteoarthritis. he suggest I want to do that, but, you know, I can't, I'm a pilot and he's very limited on what he can do. So of course we go through natural things. He's taken out gluten he's taken out processed foods. I'm definitely going to give him your number. Sure. because I think it's so important for people to know educate yourself. know, the source, but then, you know, as well know that there's different options.

Marlies:

Absolutely. And I think when we get these HR bulletins that are sent out, cause I spent 15 years in HR before getting into the industry of cannabis. So I definitely know what the laws are and I know employment law very well. And when you got these you know, handbooks going out saying you cannot use CBD. That's like saying you can't use a certain brand of tampons. They really have no control over any supplementation and they are not allowed to know the only way that they would know that you're taking something that they don't allow is if you fail a drug test. Really that's all it comes down to because they cannot ask you for you to document your medications. That would be against HIPAA regulations. And for everyone that doesn't know, this HIPAA only falls along employment law. And what a place of employment is allowed to share or also a medical facility with, you know, somebody of a public. HIPAA doesn't just fall over everything and so, but, but HIPAA laws do fall into the workplace. And so they cannot ask you what you're taking and what you're using at home. Just like they wouldn't say, how many acetaminophen are you taking today, Jess? You know, that's none of their business and it's none of their business, whether or not you're taking CBD. another thing I want to mention is topicals topicals do not fail a drug test have been multiple studies and there's one that was done in 2017. That was really, really well done and they use a full cannabis, you know, high THC, topical. It never showed up on any of the drug tests because of the way that the body processes it through the skin. It has to go through so many more layers of detoxification, if you will, that it doesn't settle into the fat cells and show up in, into a urinalysis or a blood test. I just wanted to mention that because a lot of people think, well, if I am drug tested, I can't use a topical. And that's absolutely not the case. Topicals will never show up on a drug test unless you get a hair follicle test. Then that would be the only way that it would slip up is a hair follicle test and then pain patches. Also our transdermal and so they do go right into the bloodstream. So you want to be careful with pain patches, but creams, rollers, face creams, things like that. You should have no issue at all if you're drug tested, because it just will never make it through the body systems to show up.

Jess:

Okay. And then I think share with our audience, because I think this will be really helpful if they're like, okay, I'm willing. I want to know more do you have a place where they can go kind of be introduced.

Marlies:

Sure. Sure. So on my website, Indie Hemp co.com I N D I E HE M P C O. that has a blog. A very extensive blog on all types of things, five things to look for when you're buying CBD and drug testing. How does the endocannabinoid system work? I have multiple videos about the prohibition, Dr. Rachel Knox giving a great analogy about how the endocannabinoid system regulates the body and our chemicals like serotonin and dopamine and how we create an endogenous cannabinoids. And then if you're on social media, I do extensive blogging style posts, especially on Instagram. And if you go to Instagram, my handle is the cannabis underscore Marlies. And I do have a bio link that you can click on that will have direct links to my testimony, direct links to get a product code of five, you know, $10 off right now we have free shipping through the holiday and then they can also look at different articles that I've highlighted and all of these will be written typically by a media source, but they will have the footnotes or the links to the study. And then typically we'll always go to nih.gov, which is our most comprehensive place. And there are tens of thousands of studies on cannabis that, are in our American library of pharmaceuticals, which is really cool because we've been, people say, there's no studies. I'm like, Actually there's more than you could possibly imagine. There's more than I can possibly read. And I've read of cannabis books and take an eight certifications and study with some of the top names in the entire world of this. cannabis and there's still more to learn. There's always new information coming out we're seeing how it specifically works with certain types of diseases. And now that the prohibition is ending basically all over the country, right? Not federally legal. We haven't declassified it yet. But almost every single state has some sort of either a CBD program or a medical cannabis program. Now we have over 45 states, I think 45 right now that are, have a medical cannabis program, including Texas. People don't know that it's, it's not the easiest program to go through, but you can still get it. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for being that voice and was something that is kind of a taboo topic or is, is, you know, you might face kind of what you do, misconception or So thank you for that because we know it's not always easy, but you know, when there's people like us that have a passion for truly helping people. And I think once we've lived through something, we want to share that. Yeah. And I'd like to normalize cannabis and de normalize our alcohol use. I was just talking to my husband and was on reels and just watching people's reels about, you know, getting, being stressed and drinking two bottles of wine. And I'm like, why is that funny? But then if I saw, you know, showed myself in the mountains, meditating with a joint, know, in a legal place, I would be reamed. it's just so ridiculous. And there's a lot of groups out there that are forming that are like Cana moms are good moms because women who use cannabis are typically a lot more chill. And it's not even a joke. It's not, it's not even a running joke that cannabis makes you chill. It is physiologically. Scientifically proven to reduce your cortisol levels and increase your serotonin. It just makes you happy if you had a bad experience with cannabis, get with me and I'll teach you how to use it the right way. If you are using it for adult use because it is a beautiful, beautiful plan. And if it's used the right way, it can literally unlock doors that you didn't know were even, you know, in your mind, and it can help you spiritually and mentally.

Jess:

Well, thank you so much. And I'm going to have you on again, and we're going to break even more so about this. so thank you so much. I can't wait to have you back on and I'll talk to y'all next time. Bye.