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Oct. 19, 2021

Cannabis in Pregnancy, Breastfeeding, and Kids - Marlies Fitch Ledbetter

Cannabis in Pregnancy, Breastfeeding, and Kids - Marlies Fitch Ledbetter

In this episode of Naked Talk with Jess, we are chatting with, Marlies Fitch Ledbetter, the owner and founder of the Indie Hemp Company.  

Marlies discusses the use of Cannabis in Pregnancy, Breastfeeding, and kids.    

Highlights:

  • Using Cannabis does not mean you are a “stoner”  
  • After speaking with your OB/GYN, small amounts of Cannabis may be effective for growing pains, stomach stretching, back changes, and pelvic floor changes
  • Studies from Columbia University regarding Cannabis use in pregnancy
  • Cannabis and the edocannabinoid system
  • Cannabis and kids
  • Importance of dosage in Cannabis use

Referenced previous episodes can be found here:

The History of Cannabis with TheCannaBoss - Marlies Fitch Ledbetter

Links mentioned in today’s show:

Marlies Fitch Ledbetter - Indie Hemp Company

https://www.indiehempco.com

Follow Marlies on Instagram

@thecannaboss_marlies

Indie Hemp Company

Email: marliescbd@gmail.com

Address: 9910 Valance Way

Conroe, TX  77385

Phone: 832.671.312

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Transcript

Jess:

Hey y'all welcome back to Naked talk with Jess podcast. We have Marlies with us again. If you have not heard her first episode. Go back and listen to it. It is amazing. She really gives the breakdown on cannabis CBD T H C. All the things you might've been wondering about, or maybe you have some misconceptions about, so make sure you go back and listen to that, but welcome back. Marlies how are you today?

Marlies:

I'm really good. Thank you. It's been a pleasure to come back and talk about cannabis again.

Jess:

All right. Well, let's get right to it real quick. Can you just give us a quick introduction for those who may not have heard about you?

Marlies:

Yes, I own and found a educational consultancy called the indie hemp company. Right here in the Woodlands, Texas, where I work with people one-on-one, as well as medical integration. So I teach medical professionals and holistic practitioners, how to best use cannabis in their protocols and certain, you know, tips and tricks that I've learned over thousands and thousands of patients and clients and then I'm also presidential founder of green compass global CBD, which is out of North Carolina. We are a USDA certified organic CBD brand. And I'm very, very proud of what we've been able to accomplish in the cannabis industry.

Jess:

All right I'm proud of you too. And just like you were saying, you help. Work with. Practitioners and these people who do that to really guide them. We're all about that holistic health and advocating right and just like we've said in the other episode, just because something is natural doesn't mean you don't necessarily need guidance. I think it's so important that when we go to something like this, that we are educated. And so I'm so glad that you're doing that. And thank you for really just having the passion and to speak out about something that is still, even though we were saying earlier, like it shouldn't be, it's still kind of a taboo topic.

Marlies:

Sure. I mean, people ask me all the time and I'm sure people look at me and go, well, you don't look like a stoner and. Yeah. And it's funny for people to say that because no number one, I'm not. And I don't really advocate for getting stoned all the time, but number two cannabis is a much more complicated plant than we give her credit for. And a lot of people that have been using cannabis for even 30 years still don't know the science behind it or why it works or why we need to have certain types of strains and certain types of compounds and what works for different diseases. And over the past five years and doing so much studying and working with clinicians all over the world and part of the society of cannabis clinicians and so I have access to research that hasn't even made it to the streets yet. Because we have these like growing life encyclopedias that basically tell us all of the things that are happening in the cannabis industry. So it's really incredible, to have that access of information and it's changing all the time, we're really seeing, you know, it, it blow up in the United States, especially, and Texas is growing as well. So it's exciting.

Jess:

I'm happy to see that. So now let's talk to, we already did one taboo thing, right. But let's get even more taboo. We're going to talk about cannabis and, while pregnant or breastfeeding. So as I can imagine, I know you probably hear this all the time. There's already a stigma about that and then add on to it being a mom, right. Yes, and this is something we'll get into and one of our later episodes, but, I think it's really just like, Something that like we were saying with alcohol, right. You see the moms and they're like, you make it funny. And I've said this before on social media, like, why is that funny? Yeah. Where they have the mom with the alcohol. Like I need this alcohol to deal with my kids. Yeah. But it's so commonly accepted.

Marlies:

Right but could you imagine a mom meditating by herself with no kids, you know, having enjoying a cannabis joint and she's totally, you know, put through the ringer.

Jess:

Yeah. Labeled a bad mom. This mom with alcohol, laughing about it and, and all this is just seeing different. So I am going to have a sober sex series. And, if you, and we're going to have one with, cannabis and sex later, so I'm excited for that, but let's talk a little bit about that. So I would think if you grew up like I did, the war on drugs. But, you know, you might remember dare. You might remember the skillet with the eggs. This is your brain on drugs. Yeah. So it's like drugs bad, drugs bad, you know? I don't personally consume alcohol but I see alcohol as a depressant and I see it as something that's not a healthy thing. You know, once I started becoming educated on cannabis and the different benefits, I don't see it the same anymore. Yeah. And my job here with the Naked Talk podcast is to really present information. And for my listener to hopefully say, okay, now I'm going to think for myself, I'm going to go look into this more.

Marlies:

Absolutely.

Jess:

So let's talk a little bit about. As someone who is pregnant, maybe they have used, CBD before cannabis in the right way. And now they're like, oh, well, I'm pregnant. You know, we, we see all these things you're pregnant and a lot of times we think our life has to stop. Right. We can't do this. We can't do that. We focus on what we can't do. So can you share just maybe a little bit for that listener who is pregnant or thinking of getting pregnant? What would you share with that person?

Marlies:

So a lot of people will categorize them in different sections. So you've got cannabis that can get you high and then CBD that doesn't get you high really it doesn't matter. is it safe for the mom to be consuming something that makes them high or, you know, changes their state of mind? That's the first question, right? It safe for her? Has she, you know, presented it to her OB GYN? And that's always the first thing when you start anything, as you want to make sure that you don't have underlying conditions where this could exacerbate, you know, cannabis is a very, very sensitive plant and a lot of people are more sensitive than they realize. So very, very low doses of cannabis can be very effective for the growth pains, your stomach stretching, the back changes, your pelvic floor. There are so many things that go into the body changing and cannabis, because it is, you know, as we mentioned, the first episode that it hits every single system in the human body. And so you can imagine the stress that goes through a female, you know, producing a human, first of all, it's a miracle that it happens in the first place. And then second of all, just the strain on the body, you know. Yeah, I always joke that at the beginning, it's like you have a parasite inside of you. It takes everything out of you. So what's left for the mom. And it should be a very beautiful experience and people around the world have used cannabis during pregnancy. Both as you know, in a CBD format or a full cannabis format. we have looked at the science and, people say, there's not enough research. There has been research on pregnancy and cannabis for over 30 years. Wow. So there's one study that happened in Jamaica from a mom who was chronically using it. She was smoking it. And the only thing that they showed was low birth weight. Now we do agree that smoking at all, any type of format, is going to typically make someone not eat as much. And so their child will have a low birth weight, but, when we get to the actual studies, the ones that I have on my bio link, if you click through Instagram to my link tree, there's actually a study at Columbia university in New York state psychiatric Institute, found that prenatal cannabis exposure does not lead to cognitive impaired impairment in children. And this is based on decades of studies. We already know based on startup stuff that has been released several years ago, that there's no physical impairment that happens with a child either. So typically even if somebody did use a large amount of cannabis during the pregnancy, low birth weight typically doesn't happen. So the study that happened in Jamaica was a woman who was living below her means. She was in a poor area and so we don't have all of the conditions and factors, but when you put somebody into a placebo study where everything is, you know, the study is everyone has the same situation and people have the, you know, they, they look at all of the functions of the mother and her living environment, things like that. And so they keep that into consideration. I think that that's really important that we all recognize that studies that are done in certain ways have a lot of external factors and the mind is more powerful than you could possibly imagine. But when it comes down to, we know physical impairment doesn't happen, the child does not have any failure to thrive the body, the baby isn't Reno, having an issue with growth, right. In many cases, they're showing that more often than not mothers that use cannabis or CBD products during pregnancy, not only have a really good pregnancy and delivery, but their children are actually higher on the growth charts. They're higher on the cognitive charts and we notice that also with children that use CBD at very young ages for ADHD and autism and anxiety and things like that, that it's highly effective for children. And so, you know, looking at these very predominant studies done by huge universities, Johns Hopkins has done it, a study as well, that there is no reason why mothers can't use cannabis during the pregnancy. In fact, I would suggest it.

Jess:

Wow. You know, and I'm thinking back to when, and I've shared some of my story in episode one, if y'all, haven't heard it go back and listen. So, wasn't the best situation when I was pregnant with my first daughter, I'm in a very unhealthy relationship. Things started going downhill quickly. I gave birth to my daughter left that relationship. When that daughter was 10 months old was pregnant. I didn't know it at the time when I left. I was just over three months pregnant. And, you know, thinking back now, when I started my holistic health journey, I so could have used so much support from natural things like that. But there's no way I would have, even at that time thought about it because in my head, like we talked about in our first episode.

Marlies:

Have we been conditioned to think a certain way about, you know, cannabis being a drug and I want to stop that right now. Cannabis is not a drug cannabis can get you high and cannabis can make you feel a certain way, but it is not addictive in many cases and only addictive and use typically going into adults. And you cannot die from it. So it cannot be categorized as a drug. I mean, if we look at the controlled substances list, even schedule one, schedule two, schedule three, right now, cannabis is a schedule one, right? Marijuana is a schedule one, which means it has no medical application and is highly addictive and dangerous. Yeah. Are those three things at all? Conditions of cannabis? No. No, it's not dangerous. It's not addictive and cannot kill you. So why is it a schedule one drug? Because there's more to this than meets the eye.

Jess:

Yes.

Marlies:

And there's more to it, you know, conditioning women to think that they can't take care of themselves when they're pregnant. I think that, you know, times have changed in 1900's and 1800's women were glorified while they were pregnant, they were doted on and it isn't necessarily the case anymore. I mean, I feel like women are isolated during their pregnancy. And, having a natural herb that can help with aches and pains and growth and mental state, and, the skin, I mean, cannabis on the skin is just incredible. Hemp seed oil is amazing for the skin. And so we're seeing those things change, but I think the biggest reason women are scared is because when delivered, when you're delivering and there is any issue, especially in women who are having more, you know, harder relationships, maybe there's a CPS report for some reason, or, you know, a divorce hearing and so it's already on their radar to do a drug test after the child's born. Or let's say that there's any jaundice or something that's going on with the baby. It could have nothing to do. What we already know has nothing to do with cannabis, right? Yeah. But they're going to be drug tested. And if they're positive, guess what happens? They're in the system now. And they could lose their child and that's still even indicative in states that are legal. So why are we still following this false science that cannabis is somehow detrimental to the baby or the mother, because it's not true and we've already proven that time and time again. But the government has not gotten, you know, caught onto that and so if these governmental agencies willing to take children away from mothers who are just self-medicating. And it's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. I mean, even with breastfeeding, we know that it doesn't, when you use cannabis, the way that the body goes through its detoxification process, before it makes its breast milk, the classification we don't need to worry about CBD. So let's going to take CBD out of the issue, right? We've already noticed CBD long-term does not have any bad effects.

Jess:

Right. And we see it go back and forth because the FDA wants to have their hands in something, right. Yeah.

Marlies:

But look, let's look at THC only, just the one that makes us high. If you look at using it, when you pump the breast milk, it is like 0.0000, like it is so faded, that by the time it makes it to the child it's almost not showing up. It would be similar for you giving a baby a full, like less than a full spectrum product, even a broad spectrum product. And so in no way possible could it be harmful for the baby.

Jess:

Well, and once again, it goes back to, and I think, you know, where I stand on this, you've got to whether it's follow the money, whether it's do your research, whether see who's benefiting, someone using or not using something what is that? Is treating yourself in this way or addressing your health in this way, what products is that going to keep you from having to purchase that other entities might benefit from?

Marlies:

Absolutely.

Jess:

So it just goes back to that. Don't just listen to misinformation. Once again, take the time, do your own research.

Marlies:

Absolutely.

Jess:

I mean, at the end, I'm going to, let you share some ways, cause I know you have a great amount of information that I want people to have access to that as well. So you've touched on the pregnancy and the breastfeeding. What about kids? I know you mentioned a little bit with that, but I think that's a concern that parents might have, but, you know, listen there are so many parents, especially even before this right but especially after 2020, our children are being affected in ways that long-term, we don't even know. But even the short term, we're seeing it It's terrible. It's no secret. It's hard being a kid nowadays, but now this year, it's crazy. So, we're dealing with kids with stress with emotional, mental issues, ADHD. There's just a lot of things that are maybe exacerbated. What would you say to that parent that is like, Okay maybe. I understand it's not drug bad drug bad, but this is my kid. Yeah. And you know, I always think of, you know, things that people, not all of them, but a lot of times they're so quick when someone's a wholistic or natural to ask what's in it, but yet we put Coke, artificial sweeteners, all kinds of crap in our body, but I digress. So,

Marlies:

I agree with you a hundred percent there.

Jess:

Yeah. Share a little bit to that mom or that dad who might be like, well, what about my child? Right? How does that work?

Marlies:

So just like, I said in the first episode, any being that has a spine has an endocannabinoid system. So clearly obviously all humans, all mammals, even fish and reptiles have an endocannabinoid system. I've treated a snake that was had such high stress, that it kept sloughing its skin off, over and over and was really raw and we were able to heal that snake, which is crazy. But yeah, I can understand that when I first got into the industry, I withheld giving my daughter CBD at first because I wasn't really sure how it was going to interact with her body, but when we put her on it, she was in third grade. She was having massive anxiety and attention issues at school. And within two weeks, we got a report back, whatever you're doing, keep doing it your child is like an angel. And all it took was us just lowering our cortisol levels, whatever self-talk was going in her mind, we settled it down a little bit. You know, she will never be able to verbally verbalize it happened, but she just remembers that she felt better. She just felt more present. And, and it goes back to finding quality products. You definitely don't want to be utilizing anything from a gas station or a convenience store or a pop-up shop. Please be careful not buying your CBD at a kiosk. You wouldn't buy a medicine at a kiosk. So work with someone who is either certified or has years of experience and has a brand that can be sourced and tested and show every single, you know, if you have a question, they should be able to answer it. You don't ever feel like you need to hold back on, on your questioning. I asked a thousand questions before I went with this brand. And so it's really important to me for more than anything for me to be healthy, but for it to be safe for my child and even my pets, you know, Animals can take them as well. And so when we look at adult use and I say the word adult use, because I don't like to use the word recreational. Cannabis with high amounts of THC that we find in dispensary's are not the natural way that the plant was originally cultivated. It has been cultivated over time to have higher amounts of THC, because that's what happens when you prohibit something, right. We make moonshine out of it.

Jess:

Right.

Marlies:

So, those levels are much higher than what's medicinally needed and sometimes even as her recreation, I think it's a little bit too high, too. So we definitely want to make sure that we call it adult use ,children should not be using high THC products until they're about 25. Now we all know that people will go to college and have lots of fun, but we want to make sure that their cognitive and their coping mechanisms are already set in place before they go and use a product that could possibly help them escape and we don't want that escaping mechanism to happen because that is what forms an addictive type quality. They're not necessarily addicted to the plant, but you're addicted to the coping mechanism that you lost in your growth, you know, your growth cycle of becoming an adult. And so if you don't have that proper coping mechanism, you're going to go for anything that gives you an escape. And, cannabis is a very safe way to escape the world, you know that's going on right now. And the world has always gone. I used it when I was in seventh, eighth grade because I was stressed to the max and I was afraid of alcohol and afraid of pills. Right. And so I smoked a joint and that was my first foray in cannabis. And I thought, well, if this all is it, it is. And why is everyone freaking out about it? Right. And that doesn't necessarily mean I kept using it, but it just shows you that we do need to identify this as an adult use product. That is sold at a dispensary. And then when you're using medical cannabis, and, and CBD products those are all safe and, and you should not worry about it. Full spectrum, even with traces of THC is not necessarily a harmful for a child, but let's say it might be more beneficial to a child with autism, ADHD, or epilepsy versus a child that's just struggling with something else. And there's different formulas for different people. And you want to make sure you also work with a guide because if you don't get the dosing, right?

Jess:

Yes Cannabis is bi phasic, just like alcohol. So if you take a couple cocktails and you're really fun, you're having fun, right, you drank, drank four cocktails and now you're you're being acting like crazy. So alcohol is bi phasic. You drink too much and it makes it worse, right? Same with cannabis. You take too high of a dose, even with CBD, do the opposite effect. So I have somebody that came to me for anxiety and sleep, and she goes Marlise. I took the product and I felt worse. And I said, well, how much she takes? She goes, well, I took four times what you told me, because I wanted to feel more chill. And I'm like, well, in some people, it actually makes you more awake and more alert. This works twice as much.

Marlies:

Yeah, and that's not how you use cannabis. And I really suggest people not think of it as a pill. It's not like taking one. Advil will give you some relief and four Advil will give you maximum relief. That's not the way that cannabis works. Cannabis is all about finding what physiologically works for your body and your system. And then just making sure those light switches are turned on and your body does the rest of the healing work. You're just activating the healing mechanism and the, and the homeostasis. And then the body kind of takes it from there. So we shouldn't think of CBD or cannabis as healers or it's a whole system wide thing, right? It's our body and cannabis working together. There's a reason why we have a system that perfectly locks in with cannabis. endocannabinoid system. So there's a reason why we have a system that interacts with this plant that is older than man is even older. Like we have carbon dating that goes back 12,000 years of us using cannabis. I mean, it's really incredible.

Jess:

Well, thank you for that. And I have a rescue dog, and one of the things just speaking on pets real quick, I don't take her in to, she sheds a lot and I know she needs a blowout for undercoat, but she just freaks out. We don't know what happened to her before. So definitely getting with you for our rescue Chelsea, and then for children, I just would really encourage you. If you're listening, take the time, you know, look into it, get with Marlise. She is so knowledgeable on all this, and this is just a little sneak peak we've had great conversations even before this. So I'm going to have her on again as well.

Marlies:

We do have consulting, you can even do a consulting appointment through my website. So indie hemp co.com. And if you want to speak with someone privately about your medical needs, and I would really highly suggest that you also think of CBD and cannabis as daily supplements versus as needed because cannabis can be helpful for your acute needs but it's not typically best suited, suited for acute. It typically takes about three to five days to build up in the system to turn on your receptors. So a lot of people will say, I only need it when I, or only use it when I need it and that's not how it's best utilized. So, that's something that I'll talk about in our consultations as well because we want to make sure, especially with dogs, like people are like, oh, I just give it to them when it's thunderstorms or fireworks but if you gave it to your dog all the time, you could be resolving their underlining anxiety over time and actually regulate their system. Maybe even help with inflammation in their hips and their joints so that they can have a longer, more fruitful life. Like I have a cat that's 18 now, and two years ago before we started her on CBD, she was overweight. She couldn't get up the stairs, she couldn't get on the couch. She's lost all of that weight. She's smaller than the kitten and she's getting up and down the stairs, jumping on the couch, having a fun time vocalizing. She used to not even be able to like meow properly. So it just shows you like, will you just put in her food every day? And it's given her a better quality of life and she will probably live to her full, you know, 20 something years and we did not know cats lived that long. I was like, oh my God, this cat's going to be here forever but I'm giving her a better life. Same with our Husky. He's very hyper and it calms him down. We have a dog that gets seizures from anxiety, and those have stopped. As long as they're taking their daily CBD. We have almost no issues with their problem, you know, their problematic symptoms.

Jess:

So, yeah. Can you share before we wrap up, where can we go? Cause I know you have a lot of great resources definitely go to there, to the indie hemp co.com for consultation. But what about Instagram and your, your guys' book?

Marlies:

Yeah. So I have, typically I share everything on my personal pages. I've kind of turned those into my business pages. My life is all out there. so I'm thecannaboss_marlies on Instagram and Facebook. Marley's Fitch led better. You can follow me. And then I have bio links, so I'll have links to, all of my, you know, periodicals that I've pulled studies is linked through my website as well. But if you follow me on all the socials, you can basically find everything. And then Indie Hemp Co has videos on our YouTube channel. So kind of everywhere, but if you want to send us a message through Instagram or messenger to get started, I can send you all the links as well. I'm always on my phone and available to answer questions.

Jess:

Okay. Great. And then I will have all of the Marley's has links in the show notes. So if you need the spelling or how to find that, be sure you check those out and we will talk to you in our next episode, cannabis and sex. It's going to be a good one. Thank you. Talk to you all next time. Hi.